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on my channel I'm Muhammad shafik with a

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very special debate night tonight the

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candidates from Bradford West

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representing the respect party George

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Gallaway Naz sha from the labor party

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the debate tonight is about the most

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talked about constituency in this

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general election uh whichever side

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you're on everybody's talking about

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Bradford West tonight's the Show

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everybody's been waiting for and talking

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about so whenever you are sit back enjoy

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and I hope uh you'll benefit from this

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here on my channel we don't tell you how

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to vote uh we put the candidates uh in

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front of you and then it's up to you to

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decide how you vote votings on May the

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7th polls open from 7:00 till 10 p.m. uh

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the opening statement first George gway

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from the respect party

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asalam most of your viewers already know

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me for more than 40 Years of political

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activity almost 30 of those years as a

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member of

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parliament uh almost 20 of those

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as a labor Member of Parliament and I

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hope to be back in the next Parliament

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putting a labor prime minister into 10

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Downing Street who knows I may even have

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the casting vote if the current opinion

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polls are accurate and the reason that

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your voters uh your viewers rather know

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me better than the viewers of any other

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channel and better than any of my

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opponents is because I have been at the

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Forefront of defending the interests of

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the Muslims and the minorities here in

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Britain and across the world for almost

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40 years and almost 30 of those in

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Parliament nobody in Britain has stood

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up for the Muslims spoken up for the

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Muslims more than me for the last 3

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years after a spectacular by-election

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win I've been the Member of Parliament

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for Bradford West and that's the reason

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why the national and international media

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are focused on this contest if I wasn't

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in it trust me they wouldn't be because

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Bradford was forgotten under 40 Years of

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Labor rule 40 years during which the

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city was allowed to sink and we won a

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spectacular Biel Victory with a 10,000

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majority unprecedented in the

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circumstances precisely because the

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people of Bradford West have been

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betrayed for too long by labor now I was

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in labor a long time I'm going to put a

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labor prime minister into par that this

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is not labor we are the real labor we

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stand up for the things that labor used

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to stand up for thank you very much

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George Galloway that's sh from the labor

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party

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welcome thank you very much for inviting

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us in host in this program today I was

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equally excited to come today

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um for the viewers at home uh this is a

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debate for Bradford West so I'm going to

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keep it at Bradford West I I was born in

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Bradford West I was raised in Bradford

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West and I continue to live there and I

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my three children are being raised in

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Bradford West and they go to Local

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Schools when I'm out speaking to people

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in Bradford West what they're talking

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about what I'm what I'm finding is that

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people bump into me and they know me for

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my various activities whether that has

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been in my community development gr as

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an advocate for people with disabilities

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whether that's been my in my capacity as

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a chair of the largest BM mental health

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charity in Bradford however that's been

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in my commissioning role as a

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commissioner in the NHS when I

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commission volun Community sector across

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Bradford um I am a Bradford person and

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I'm familiar with the issues in Bradford

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I also used to be a visional director

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for a Muslim wom leadership development

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program and I have run local businesses

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I'm very very committed to Bradford and

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the people of Bradford West because that

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is who who I am that is where I'm from

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and that's where I'm going to be long

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after the 7th of May I will continue to

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be there um what I would say in terms of

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um putting Bradford on the map I as a

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person of Bradford feel quite insulted

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by um George Galloway's comments that

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Bradford wasn't on the map Bradford has

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always been on the map and this isn't

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because of the people all over the world

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just because of one person I think very

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much like George George Grant I might

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add that actually people of gr could

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have need to take have a lot more credit

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and have their own Solutions and and

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have without no doubt that is what makes

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Bradford Bradford not a politician thank

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you very much anasha George gway with

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one of the lowest voting records in the

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House of Commons how are you a voice for

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PR well can we nail this finally even

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this close to polling day I'm in

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Parliament every single day that's

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obvious let me finish that's obvious

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78% of every mention that's ever been

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made in The Last 5 Years of Bradford

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was made by me and I was only there

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three of those 5 years I've tabled more

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motions in front of parliament than any

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other MP in the country and more than

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all of the other Bradford MPS put

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together you may not have known there

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were other Bradford MPS but there are

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but they haven't been doing much I can't

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vote sometimes because the prime

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minister's motion is as unacceptable to

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me as Ed Milan's Amendment so

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why not why not abstain why not go

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through the I do abstain I do abstain

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precisely because I cannot support

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either new Labor's austerity light or

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David Cameron and Nick pl's austerity

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heavy I vote against every crime that

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has been committed by labor and the

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conservatives over these last decades I

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voted against tuition fees when labor

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introduced them I voted against the

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trebling of them and opined often time

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against it when the liberal Democrats

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and the conservatives trebled it I voted

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against every war when labor launched it

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I voted against every so-called

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anti-terrorism measure when labor and

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the conservatives introduced them I'm

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the one who stood against the 90 days

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the 60 days the 30 days internment

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without TR

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that new labor introduced let me ask you

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one more question according to the

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register of members interest you made

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£300,000

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um as various media engagements that you

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carry out across the world does that

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make you a part it's not across the

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world it's not across the

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world

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spending e my look my Russia Today

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television programs on a Saturday my

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press TV program is after Parliament

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closes on a Thursday and my almadine

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television show which comes from London

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not Beirut is filmed at a weekend or on

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a Monday night during the general

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election not when the parliament is

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sitting I present political TV programs

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just like you I get paid just like you

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nobody presents television programs for

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nothing and if we did the only people

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Rich are would be the owners of the

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television station I just not sure in

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the first election in Bradford West you

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were the third choice I was and yet

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you're standing here as the First Choice

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why should br West will just choose you

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if you were the third choice in your own

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membership well the reason why BR West

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should choose a mayor as parliamentary

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candidate is simple because we have real

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de for people ACR in the west we have

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lots of policies which will support that

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we will increase the minimum wage we

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will offer more child care we will bring

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real change W that's exactly why we

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should choose but you're the third

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choice

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well that will in that selection meeting

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according to sources in the labor party

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you got 13 votes you can't convince your

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own party colleagues are you going to

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convince the people of Bradford West

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well Bradford West it's very clear it's

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very easy to convince the people of

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Bradford West we've had an absente EMP

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for the last three years who's Ved on

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11.9% of the issues who's not who's in

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more outside of Parliament and has 100%

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attendance in all other jobs in

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comparison to Parliament who says edms

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are tabled more but come on you can and

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and byy his own records has table 14 in

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a day so really it's pretty easy to

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convince people of bord West and in any

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case what can one person do at the end

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of the day a government runs a country

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you need a party you need politics you

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need you need infrastructure support I

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would be using all of that so it's not

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actually that hard to for people so you

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you you somebody who was in favor of the

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prevent strategy and now you're claiming

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you're against the prevent strategy even

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so much so you took money from prevent

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let's be clear did you take money from I

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did not take money from prevent let me

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be really clear let's let's this EMP

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employed in 2009 as a regional director

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for a Muslim senior Muslim leadership

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development program which was by the

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bmcs regional panel and local government

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yor from Humber in 2008 and 2009 speak

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you know this there was not a lot of

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money around in the volary sector now

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when the funding came from CLG I was

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appointed to deliver that program now if

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that program about building capacity the

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Muslim women leadership positions was

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wrong then I held my hand up it was a

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wrong thing to do but it wasn't at that

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that time I delivered a a project which

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was very very it was very sought after

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Muslim women as leaders of the future

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what was wrong with that what happened

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afterwards and I will absolutely endorse

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that project which was CLG funded and

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there were pockets of really good work

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we have people in Bradford former

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respect counselors who have now gone

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back to respect who took that money that

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does not mean to fear every single thing

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was wrong what prevent became was wrong

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and we have made a very clear commitment

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that we will be over calling it and I'm

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going to be at that discussion and I

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will be fighting for that overhaul so no

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I did I do not endorse preventing its

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entirety I have endorsed and stand by

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the projects that I have delivered and

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they were good projects and rightful

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Soul thank you so much n sha if you're

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elected in a week's time and you're in

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the House of Commons how would you vote

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on nuclear triing we have we have

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choices to be as a government we have

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choices to make and those choices aren't

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always going to be easy and on this one

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we have been advised by the experts to

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Endor Trident and stick with Trident so

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that's what we doing as a government and

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you would be supporting that yeah so

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you'd be voting in favor of the 100

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billion P TR newclear okay thank you

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very much I hope that answers your could

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the NHS I think do you think the labor

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party has recognized the NHS here yes no

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that what I feel the NHS is very close

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to me because I used to commission

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services in the NHS and I have a family

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member who just recovered from cancer so

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I know exactly what services in terms of

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services that we use now we will we will

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make sure we get cancer tests within one

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week we will make more GP appointments

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available within 48 hours we will be

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putting more GPS in place more Midwife

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and I think that is real commitment and

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we have costed that out to through our

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2.5 billion care to fund um time to care

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fund and that that is going to make a

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real difference to the NHS and I think

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the NHS needs to belong to the people

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and it was set up under a legal

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government and we need to be it it

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continuously needs to be belonged to the

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people and not be privatized through

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back door um okay let me just ask you um

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Andy Burnham Your Shadow Health

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secretary been he's a former Health

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secretary was complaining that if the

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conservatives got in for another five

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years the NHS would be privatized do you

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know the difference between the private

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sector involvement between your party

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and the conservative liberal I'm very

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clear about it what we what we have what

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the first one of the first things we

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will do we will repeal the Health and

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Social Care Act of 2014 we what we will

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do is the reason we will repeal that is

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because at the moment chunks of the NH

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which are the most profitable can be

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done by other businesses and they can

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bid for them and that we don't think

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that's right we don't think we should

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leave the services but do you know the

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difference between the two private

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sector involvement between the two

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governments yes absolutely one one's the

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profit and one's not profit we don't

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want we want that profit well actually

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let me not understand let me give you

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the let me give you the let me give you

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the facts under 13 years of a labor

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government yeah there was 4.3% private

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sector involvement under the coalition

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government the liberal Democrats and

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conservatives it's

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5.6% just over

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1% exactly if she can't if she can't

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answer let me answer oh please this

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privatize well it's quite obvious you

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can't answer how can you answer that it

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was Blair and brown that began the

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privatization of the National Health

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Service just like it was Blair and brown

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that introduced the University tuition

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and then they complain that the tourist

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have marginally increased the amount of

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privatization by 1% these people cannot

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be taken seriously she's dumbfounded she

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doesn't have an answer she doesn't know

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that answer and if she did know it she'd

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be embarrassed presumably to tell you

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but let's move on to islamophobia and

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anti-muslim hatred George G you've been

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as you said in Parliament for a number

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of years what have you done to race this

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issue of islamophobia well I think your

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viewers already know that that I have

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seen foremost in this country in

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standing up in defense of the Muslims I

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told the labor leader Tony Blair when he

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invaded Iraq just before it a couple of

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weeks before it in the library Corridor

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to be precise I told them that if you

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send hundreds of thousands of foreign

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soldiers to attack invade and occupy a

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Muslim country you'll end up with war

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throughout the world including on our

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own streets you will place the British

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State on a collision course with the

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Muslims and every prevent agenda every

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anti-terrorism measure one after the

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other has completely failed to deal with

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this problem and the more you take that

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approach the more Fear and Loathing and

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hatred of Muslims you will agender in

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the country and that's why the Henry

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Jackson Society are here it's why khed

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Mahmud I mean George is right he's not

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actually responsible for most of the

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crimes of the Henry Jackson Society he

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didn't invent the Trojan HX Khaled

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Mahmud the Birmingham labor MP invented

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it and he's NASA's campaign manager in

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Bradford he's been he's been in

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Bradford scared

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of' all seen pictures why is there

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anybody else we've all seen the pictur

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got pictures of don't me don't force me

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to talk about your relationship don't

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force me to talk about your relationship

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can I just let George finish I promise

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you you can you can respond you can

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respond KH Mahmud is the author of The

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Trojan Hax the Trojan Horse That Never

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Was Khaled Mahmud of the Henry Jackson

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Society is one of the Premier witch

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Hunters of Muslims in this country and

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he's in Bradford every every other day

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at nasha's site he's running our

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campaign the Facebook pictures the

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Twitter pictures all prove it so we've

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got Khaled Mahmud in Bradford and we've

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got George Grant of the Henry Jackson

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Society in Bradford and we've got and

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we've got and we've got from across the

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Atlantic Louise mench in peretic

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perpetual motion and so it's obvious

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there's a job being done on Bradford by

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the islamophobes by the people who hate

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Muslims

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I'm I'm the person who stands up against

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them n just respond to to that point

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about the Henry Jackson Society say KH

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sorry mm and his Le toan horse and to

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any

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other do you reject that I no you can

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ask him that I'm asking I'm asking you

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what do you think of the GE no let me

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ask the question which you've asked me

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to and let me respond to that first and

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foremost khed mmud is is uh old enough

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to answer for himself of what he's doing

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in his terms of his policies I do not

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speak for him he does not manage my

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campaign I have people here who manage

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my campaign yes it is no it is

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absolutely no word of lie is absolutely

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correct that Khaled I was introduced to

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khed back in June and that was when my

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political Journey started but I am a

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person of my own right and in terms of

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saying I absolutely you know I I I'm I'm

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shocked I'm well I'm not actually

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because that's what I expect from this

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good kind kind type of politics which is

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personalizing things I have stood up for

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Muslims I have stood up for women's

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right I have stood up for Palestine I

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have done what was in within my

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capability to do that and I absolutely

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take issue with that to threatening me

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on live TV don't let me talk about your

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personal stuff oh please what are you

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going to do pull out what is it what are

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you afraid of

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guys please George please no let's stick

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to let's stick to the issue is there is

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a perception there is a perception the

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neocons like the Henry Jackson Society

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uh the edl the quenum foundations of

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these worlds perpetuate the islamophobia

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and Society KH mmud is a is a member of

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the board Advisory Board of the Henry

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Jackson Society

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mm you M's voice I'm asking about

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islamophobia the perpetuate islamophobia

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islamophobia are organizations that

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absolutely

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perpetuate do you condemn the heavy Jack

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absolutely condemn a lot of you last

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word on islamophobia to Nasha in terms

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of islamophobia we have just made a

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commitment to make it a hate crime just

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like I'm semitism and I think that will

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go a long way in addressing issues to be

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able to have it in law and I think

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that's a brave step and I think that's a

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brilliant step on part of the LA party

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so I I certainly welcome that and I'll

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be I'll be making sure i' be pushing

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that agenda n again it's on it's on on

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the text um did

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B support for intervention in Libya

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contribute to the carniv that we see in

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the country today I think we it I'd like

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George I think there is lots of that

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work we could do there were difficult

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choices we made them but let's look at

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Syria where we didn't intervene and Edan

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made sure that we didn't intervine and I

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think there were each situation

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individual saw 200,000 being being

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killed in Syria and you turned a blind

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eye to it I'm not convinced to turned a

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blind eye to it I think 200,000 people

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being killed children made by the regime

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and you said that you we're not going to

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do anything we're just going to make a

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Party fuing House of Commons no because

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what we have we have unique individual

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circumstances of each country we have

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the Arab Uprising I absolutely T I do

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not T I do not agree with George

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Galloway's assertion that because of

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Iraq we have a mess in the Middle East I

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think there was enough priz in the

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Middle East and let's be clear about

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what happened in that with syrians as

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Tunisia if you look at Tunisia now they

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have some stability back they have their

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own Solutions why should we be going in

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and fixing people what fixing things we

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should be Libya then because Libya was

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Libya was very you just said you just

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said why should we go in you just said

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let me just let me ask you you just said

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why should we go in and tell them how to

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do it but yet you support Libya and you

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don't support Libya a bit of a

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hypocritical position no not really not

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at all it's a contradiction I can hold

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really well and it's not actually it's

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not a contradiction if you look at it

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you look at it Libya Libya was about a

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tyranny against people in Syria you have

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different it's tyranny against Syria

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it's a dictator killing his own people

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there different pockets of people in

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Syria so George Galloway let's let's ask

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you on foreign policy particularly on

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Syria you know you you you're somebody

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who are you somebody that supports the

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regime no uh I just because people said

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that people said that you support Assad

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people people say all kinds of things we

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just heard a labor candidate saying she

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can hold her contradiction quite well uh

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they nonsense here's the situation in s

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I'm not a supporter of the regime I'm an

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opponent of their enemies who are their

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enemies Isis Al-Qaeda Saudi Arabia

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Britain France the United States and

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Israel sorry I'll never be on their side

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I argued from the very first day day

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before the first day that the only path

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for Syria is a negotiative diplomatic

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transition to democracy and I urge the

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Syrian regime to call a Democrat atic

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election and if they had done so at that

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time they might well have avoided This

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Disaster but for n to say that she

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disagrees with me that the invasion of

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Iraq is the cause of all this well

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that's go smacking even by her standards

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every fool knoweth that sending hundreds

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of thousands of American and British

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soldiers to invade and occupy an Arab

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Muslim country has cascading around the

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world

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[Applause]

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all I'm just going to ask you candidates

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I'm just going to ask you please just if

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you just kind of respect me and I

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promise I'll get all of you I will I

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will bring you back uh let's just move

545
00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:52,720
on um there's a question here for unas

546
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,640
sha around Palestine um it says uh Your

547
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,400
Leader Ed minan said he was a Zionist do

548
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,320
you back him if he said he was a Zionist

549
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,240
absolutely not because the end day what

550
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,039
I believe is that Ed Mand is not a

551
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:06,159
Zionist it's not something that I would

552
00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:08,039
sign up to I'm very clear that Ed Mand

553
00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:09,960
is the person who took who to who

554
00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:13,360
ensured that we voted for Palestine a

555
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:15,559
state in Palestine and our absente EMP

556
00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:17,760
didn't vote on the issue of Palestine he

557
00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:20,200
didn't vote for it and I think that's

558
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:22,799
absolutely fundamentally wrong so yeah I

559
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:25,559
no I don't can we get that clear yeah

560
00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:27,880
did he is is he a Zionist or is he not a

561
00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:29,799
Zionist he said he's a Zionist my

562
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,200
understanding of is that somebody who

563
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does not believe in a two set solution I

564
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:37,360
think your action speak louder than your

565
00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:39,600
words he but he has also led the vote

566
00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:41,120
for two- State solution which you

567
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,520
haven't voted on George because I'm

568
00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:44,880
against it why would I vote for

569
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:48,279
something that I'm against I believe

570
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:51,440
that Palestine Palestine should be free

571
00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:52,960
from The River To The Sea you say you

572
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,120
agree but you've just said you have to

573
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:58,679
have aace solution you have to have a

574
00:22:55,120 --> 00:23:01,360
peaceful solution George you can't I

575
00:22:58,679 --> 00:23:04,320
know I I know the contradictions are

576
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:06,760
your uh the name of your game do you

577
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,919
support a two-state solution or should

578
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,320
Palestine be free from The River To The

579
00:23:08,919 --> 00:23:13,559
Sea perhaps you don't know what that

580
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:17,880
means the river Jord to the mediteran on

581
00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:22,480
Palestine Rec I am against

582
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:25,720
not a fact I'm against it against itog

583
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:28,559
stop baring and let me speak George it

584
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:31,520
it is it is not a solution that's why

585
00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:33,440
I'm against it I believe in one de one

586
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,440
Democratic happen to the Israelis who

587
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,760
live in is they contined to live there

588
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:40,480
just not in somebody else's house just

589
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:43,919
not on somebody else's land it would be

590
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:47,039
a bational state called Israel hyphen

591
00:23:43,919 --> 00:23:49,720
Palestine Palestine hyphen Israel

592
00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:52,279
according to your taste that's the only

593
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:56,640
thing that actually is a solution the

594
00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:56,640
other things pretend to be

595
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Solutions question in any future vote in

596
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,080
the House of Commons in the next

597
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Parliament because when I spoke to Edan

598
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last week in my interview which we'll

599
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:09,480
show you hopefully next week Ed Milan

600
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,679
said that if he was elected as prime

601
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minister one of the first things he

602
00:24:10,679 --> 00:24:14,799
would do was encourage the British

603
00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:16,880
government to formally recognize a

604
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:19,200
Palestinian State absolutely you would

605
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,039
vote against that no of course not but

606
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:24,600
the motion that was before the

607
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:27,360
parliament recognize the state of Israel

608
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:30,080
and I don't I don't recognize it it's an

609
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:32,919
illegitimate state a European settler

610
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:36,559
colonial state a terrorist State an

611
00:24:32,919 --> 00:24:39,640
illegal occupier State a possessor of

612
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:42,679
illegally acquired nuclear weapons State

613
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:45,919
a terrorist State you of course from the

614
00:24:42,679 --> 00:24:50,200
Henry Jackson Society are the main are

615
00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:53,440
the main world propagandists for Israel

616
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:55,279
now NZ will be grateful I'm sure uh of

617
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,840
your defense but the people watching

618
00:24:55,279 --> 00:25:00,640
this program know she her journey began

619
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:03,640
last June she tells us after meeting

620
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:05,520
khed mahm well my journey began on

621
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:11,279
Palestine in

622
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:14,159
1975 my as as God gives me as long as

623
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:15,880
God gives me breath I will fight for the

624
00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:18,320
rights of the Palestinian people okay I

625
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,320
want to give

626
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:23,760
George better of Mr Gallow accusing

627
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,600
anyone who opposes him being a Zionist

628
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,720
it is absolutely are you a Zionist

629
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,399
ridiculous if by a Zionist you mean do I

630
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,279
believe in a state of Israel if by aist

631
00:25:30,399 --> 00:25:34,200
you mean my apologist for everything

632
00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:35,360
that Israel does then absolutely not if

633
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,279
you believe in the state of Israel

634
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,720
You're a why you being off why you

635
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:41,000
offended I'm not offended I'm I'm

636
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:44,360
offended no because I'm offended because

637
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,480
Zionism today means in people's minds

638
00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:47,480
the connotation is that you're an

639
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,440
apologist for everything that the state

640
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,279
of Israel does that is how much did we

641
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:54,799
spend on your education a Zionist a

642
00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:57,679
Zionist is a supporter of the state of

643
00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:59,080
is Israel a final question to you I just

644
00:25:57,679 --> 00:26:01,279
want to ask you

645
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,320
uh you obviously you know you you you

646
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:06,399
campaign I think I saw you at one of the

647
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:10,120
protests was it last year um during the

648
00:26:06,399 --> 00:26:11,840
Palestinian uh yeah I I the conv so

649
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:14,279
you've got an involvement what would you

650
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,799
do differently to what George Gallow is

651
00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:18,679
doing in Parliament I would vote that's

652
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:20,600
what I would do I would pass my vote I

653
00:26:18,679 --> 00:26:23,320
would make sure it count what I would

654
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,360
also do is Lobby people if you can't

655
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,159
change things on your own as one person

656
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:29,200
we can shout as much as we want there's

657
00:26:27,159 --> 00:26:31,039
a place for activism there's an absolute

658
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,200
place for activism there's an absolute

659
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:34,640
place for protesting there is and that's

660
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,120
our Civic right and that's our civic

661
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,960
duty however we also have to engage in

662
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:40,840
conversations until we don't engage in

663
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,080
them conversations we will not achieve

664
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,520
the change that we seek we must bring

665
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,840
people on if you look at s Gerald

666
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,120
Kaufman he was a Zionist he was you know

667
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,600
we're hoping he's going to be coming

668
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:52,880
down to Radford but he is one of the

669
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,799
biggest Advocates now so people can

670
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,799
change he's an absolute example of that

671
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:58,600
change so why wouldn't we want to change

672
00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,240
and bring people Along on that Journey

673
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,279
to recognize what happening what is

674
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,399
happening in Palestine is absolutely

675
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:06,799
fundamentally wrong as it is with any

676
00:27:04,399 --> 00:27:09,159
other places that are occupied what is

677
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:11,279
happening I would you know it's wrong

678
00:27:09,159 --> 00:27:13,000
it's fund it's not right it's you've got

679
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:14,360
people in an open prison that is not

680
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,760
right you've got children dying you've

681
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:18,640
got people being killed no B you know

682
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,360
we're privileged in this country we're

683
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,799
privileged I wake up and I see my kids

684
00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:23,640
aren't being you know don't have their

685
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:25,200
Liv ripped apart that that means

686
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,240
something to me that's real that's

687
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,960
reality over there it's not a reality

688
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,919
that we should be able to back and live

689
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,240
with okay let's take a call let's go to

690
00:27:30,919 --> 00:27:34,240
Bradford and talk to good

691
00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:38,840
evening yes what do you like to say I

692
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:42,399
just like to ask a question about the

693
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:44,919
last incursion happened in Gaza uh by

694
00:27:42,399 --> 00:27:47,600
the Israeli Army I just like to ask it's

695
00:27:44,919 --> 00:27:49,039
just a simple question really and

696
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,720
viewers like to hear the answer from all

697
00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:54,000
of them do they regard genocide women

698
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,279
and children being

699
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,600
killed okay thank you very much one word

700
00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:59,679
question yes or no C would you Rec that

701
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,279
as a

702
00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:07,240
genocide absolutely George absolutely

703
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:10,480
sorry George gr not as a

704
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:12,240
genocide yes har yes George Gall yes

705
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,720
they're trying to wipe the Palestinian

706
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:17,679
thank you one word questions thank you

707
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:19,399
answer sorry uh let's move on Bradford

708
00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:21,519
uh whatever your views are and there are

709
00:28:19,399 --> 00:28:23,559
many thousands of you watching this from

710
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:25,440
Bradford tonight uh that want to talk

711
00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:27,720
about Bradford so let's talk about

712
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,120
Bradford uh in the last few moments that

713
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,440
we have

714
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:33,600
Asha positively what would you do for

715
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,559
the people PR on local issues obviously

716
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,440
and I appreciate that you've been

717
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:38,559
locking doors for the last few weeks and

718
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,760
you you you all of you all five of you

719
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:42,720
will be Masters about what people right

720
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,000
West need for those that haven't met you

721
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,919
just yet what would you do to what would

722
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,159
you give people I would be on on a local

723
00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:50,399
level the education system that would be

724
00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:51,720
a priority for me and I would be it

725
00:28:50,399 --> 00:28:53,360
would be a priority because my children

726
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,519
are at school and my my daughter just

727
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,600
going to be going into a secondary

728
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:58,960
school now and the standards need to be

729
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,360
improved um we have just accepted the

730
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,480
recommendations in the council for the

731
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,480
by Professor Woods which is who turned

732
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,240
around the and we will move straight now

733
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,720
to closing statements each candidat can

734
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,600
have one minute um to make their closing

735
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,519
statements as we've already tossed a

736
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:18,080
coin the first candidate to go first is

737
00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:19,840
n of the labor party thanks um I'm not a

738
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,440
career politician I am a community

739
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,360
activist by background I have 20 years

740
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,720
of experience with fighting for women's

741
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,159
rights what I will do for Bradford West

742
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,720
and the people of Bradford West is

743
00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:32,559
really clear I will vote on the issues

744
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,200
that matter I will have an attendance

745
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:36,679
which is much better than the current

746
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,600
the last absente EMP we've had I will

747
00:29:36,679 --> 00:29:40,919
vote on the issues it's not just about

748
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,279
tabling the edns it's about actually

749
00:29:40,919 --> 00:29:44,480
being part of a solution so on Palestine

750
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:46,720
I will be there to vote for the

751
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,760
recognition of Palestine we will also I

752
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,039
will be there pushing to make sure that

753
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,840
we do make islamophobia a hate crime

754
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:54,600
like we have said we will and Ed lant

755
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,919
has given that commitment we will be

756
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,159
tackling issu head issues that affect

757
00:29:56,919 --> 00:30:00,559
the communities of Bradford West

758
00:29:58,159 --> 00:30:03,200
absolutely head on and I will do that

759
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:05,640
with the support of a big party with the

760
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,519
support of infrastructure Finance to

761
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,240
make sure we bring money and investment

762
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:11,000
into Bradford change the education

763
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,640
achievements in Bradford attainment and

764
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:16,200
create skill sets and act and meaningful

765
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:19,840
engagement I think Bradford has it thank

766
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:24,159
you very much indeed har thank you thank

767
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:26,760
you I started off earlier on by saying

768
00:30:24,159 --> 00:30:31,159
that I have a great deal of respect for

769
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:33,919
the gentleman on my left again um George

770
00:30:31,159 --> 00:30:39,480
uh George is a is a very well-known

771
00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:42,360
aitor he's a a seasoned politician but

772
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,960
from in my from my perspective I don't

773
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,960
think he is suited for the needs of

774
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:50,720
Bradford and I put myself forward here

775
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:54,240
to to bring Bradford together as an old

776
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:57,600
Brad forian I've come back R backing

777
00:30:54,240 --> 00:31:00,440
them up and inshallah I'll be the person

778
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,080
who be doing that for you after 7th of

779
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,720
May thank you so much and last but not

780
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,320
least George G for the respect party

781
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,480
well n Shar in bottom of the poll in the

782
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:11,720
labor selection and everyone watching

783
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:15,399
the program now knows why this is going

784
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:19,720
to be a hung Parliament a parliament in

785
00:31:15,399 --> 00:31:23,120
which debate speeches argument reason

786
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,840
intellect and experience matter and I

787
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:28,080
think that you've seen enough this

788
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:30,320
evening to know which of the two uh Main

789
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:34,399
candidates in this election between me

790
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:36,200
and Nasha has that we have six demands

791
00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:38,799
that I will table in front of Ed

792
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,279
millerand which are the price of my

793
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:44,399
putting him into Downing Street if you

794
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:46,760
want to know them go to respect

795
00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:49,919
party.org George gallway thank you so

796
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:52,559
much Harry boter George Grant Nasha and

797
00:31:49,919 --> 00:31:54,720
Celia Hixon thank you so much to them

798
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:57,000
for coming all this way from Bradford to

799
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,840
Blackman we thank them we thank you all

800
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,639
uh who have watched it but from me

801
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,440
Muhammad shafik and whole team thank you

802
00:32:00,639 --> 00:32:03,440
for joining us good

803
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,440
night can we just kind stay where you

804
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:15,840
are just take one picture

805
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,840
for you can you just take